maymay ([info]maymaym) wrote,
@ 2007-02-06 04:44:00
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Crying over shared insights
For personal reasons, I am really trying to do everything I can to help ease the pain that my two friends are going through. I dare say I understand a big part of it, but at the same time I can't believe I'm arrogant enough to really be able to imagine what they're going through. I've gone through horrible, similar things, but each situation is unique. There's nothing I can ultimately do, because I can't make it better, but I'll be damned if don't give it my all anyway.

I feel as though I wish were able to just take their pain onto myself to relieve them of it. That would, of course, be counterproductive (and is impossible), but my heart wrenches whenever I hear her cry and it sinks when I hear how sad he is.

We talked, I with her and I with him, and in each case the conversation inevitably makes me think of myself. It spawns images of my past, my own memories and experiences. She said it best when she said "No wonder you feel haunted here, May." Haunted...the perfect description of a life whose timeline is so incorrectly ordered that it plays as if large parts are huge flashback sequences instead of being a chronological story unfolding like everyone else's.

I cried, too. I cried with her, and I cried because my past still hurts me where the time since my previous relationships left the scars whose presence I still feel. But I cried, also, because I am scared. Too scared to mention it to either of them, but scared nonetheless.

Can I ever really feel certain enough about anything? Will I always be required to second-guess my own emotions and instincts due to my bipolar disorder? Will I come to accept my mediocrity, my lack of brilliance in the fields I was expected to shine in? Can I be content with the successes I've already attained in those same fields, the ones other people expected me to be an utter failure in?

And through it all, thanks to the incredible, unique, and completely isolating experience of all this, will my relationship continue to flourish, or will it wither? What will it be like--and what will she be like--when Sara returns from Australia?

I am very, very scared of these questions, and their answers. I don't know what to do.



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Your brilliance is undeniable
(Anonymous)
2007-02-06 11:26 am UTC (link)
and absolute. If you lack anything, it is perspective. Love you, Aba

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[info]catfish23
2007-02-06 01:47 pm UTC (link)
I'm with you on this. I am... and because I'm so busy and because it's going to hurt so much when I actually do get the time to worry about life, I'm not crying yet. But I'm with you.

The one thing I can say is that you're not the only one who feels alone, or unsure. I know diabetes is a far cry from bipolar disorder, but I know what you mean about second-guessing your choices due to the tricks your own body pulls on you.

And also..."a life whose timeline is so incorrectly ordered that it plays as if large parts are huge flashback sequences instead of being a chronological story unfolding like everyone else's."

I was kind of a jerk, I guess, to just toss that off the other night. Haha, Mei, you've had such an unconventional life that some things don't make sense to you! How amusing! Pfft. That said, I really hope you don't feel as if you've lived the wrong way or that your life was set up amiss. Your perspective is so valuable to us poor conventional sods. It's isolating, but at least in my case all you have to do is poke me and I'll do my best to not exclude. And I doubt I'm the only one.

PS - I have music for you and Sarah, as promised. Non-pop-song music; some of it's silly and some of it's relaxing and there is no mention of love anywhere. Some night I'll bring my computer up and hand it over.

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[info]maymaym
2007-02-06 06:18 pm UTC (link)
:) I never considered your comments exclusionary. If anything, they shine a white light on the positive, and amusing, things that following the course of my life has done for me. It's isolating not because you (or people in general) exclude me but because I can't relate to you.

And while it's cool sometimes to be able to bring such unique outlooks and opinions to conversations and relationships, friends and otherwise, it ultimately boils down to irreconcilable differences between me and everyone else. I sometimes feel lonely even when I'm surrounded by friends because of that, and that's what I was responding to in my post.

Also, yay, music is awesome.

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[info]empress_bunn
2007-02-06 03:17 pm UTC (link)
I think that I understand what you mean by being "haunted" by the past. I don't know why I mentally pick at old emotional scars so tirelessly. Sometimes it seems like I find some strange pleasure in being in emotional pain and that I gravitate toward it. There's a bittersweet comfort in remembering a particularly fond thing that is no longer there and a strangely satisfying sense of raw pain in reliving some of the worst moments in life. As cliche as it sounds, I believe that people are made much stronger by pain than by any sort of pleasantness.

I don't know about linearity of life. I feel like that deviation from the norm, whether it's by not being grounded in place or not being grounded in time, gives a sense of perspective that not a lot of other people can have. It seems sort of isolating to be outside everyone else, but it doesn't have to be. Your timeline isn't incorrect, it's just different. Different is very, very good (even if being unique can be very, very hard). On where you're "expected" to excel and where you're "expected" to fail-- you know what really rocks? Proving people wrong when they underestimate you or put you in a category that you don't want to be put in.

You're the only one that can answer your questions, if you choose to answer them at all. Hopefully sharing your inner demons with others helps you, in some way, manage the combating sides of yourself.

Well, I hope that I don't sound preachy or anything. Really, I'm hardly qualified to give advice. Hope that you feel better (crying feels really awesome-- I'm jealous of you in a way, because it's been months since I last cried. Even when I've felt really sad, no tears... talk about abnormal).
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btw, Chuck Palahniuk (he wrote "Fight Club") has an awesome book titled "Haunted." It's superbly disturbing, but awesome... and sort of pertinent to your post. The book follows a whole bunch of people using non-linear, varied storytelling and flashbacks. Maybe you'd like it? I have a copy if you want to borrow it.

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[info]maymaym
2007-02-06 06:33 pm UTC (link)
I think a big part of why I can't escape the ghostly images and memories of the past is because I'm always around them. I call it a "layering of memories," referring to the experience of having literally dozens of completely different emotional experiences in the exact same geographic location. I look at everything around me in the city, the buildings, the streets, the parks, and in my personal spaces, the shelves on my walls, my refrigerator magnets, my bed, my pull-up bar, and each of these things can conjure not just one memory, but a dozen memories each with a different emotional context. It's like cooking with too many spices or painting with too many colors; eventually, everything just turns bland, gets drowned out in the noise, and I'm left not with a happy memory or a sad one, but too many competing ones to make any kind of sense out of them. It can feel like I've gone crazy. (But is that the bipolar disorder?)

Anyway, thanks for the encouragement. Also, while I typically don't read fiction books, I love Chuck Palahniuk, so I might look into getting a copy of Haunted. Everyone's always telling me I should read fiction, anyway. :)

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[info]claireity
2007-02-07 12:35 am UTC (link)
Oh do I know about that tricky bipolar. When I'm in the middle of all that sorting out of what's real and what's not, I try telling myself that all the cyclic questioning and second/third/fourth-guessing just means that when I know, I really know. In some ways, it forces me to be much more self-aware to simply maintain and function and try to find happy/content places. And, being self-aware is a very good thing, in my opinion.

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[info]sweetcandymike
2007-02-06 03:22 pm UTC (link)
"I am very, very scared of these questions, and their answers. I don't know what to do."

Be scared.
Your going to do that anyway and it is just a feeling that will turn into another and another and in the meantime you are learning it seems, tremendous things.
Regarding the length of lifetimes, I don't know you that long.
But I know you long enough to bear witness and observe and see that the fear aside,you are doing quite well my friend.
Not a dismissal of your pain..just an overall observation.
From a recent journal entry of mine:
"...And if any of us get lost,
if any of us cannot come all the way-
remember: there will come a time when
all we have said and all we have hoped
will be alright.
-William Stafford
Hang in there May and please accept the love and hug I am sending.
-Mike

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[info]maymaym
2007-02-06 06:51 pm UTC (link)
Thanks, Mike.

Sara frequently describes her philosophy with the two words "Just be," which is always good advice. Yet, even though I can understand and relate to that sentiment, to know when and how to just be and when or what to act upon is a difficult balance for me to strike when such a disproportionate amount of my life was spent not "just" being, but rather actively fighting, clawing tooth and nail, for the things I knew I wanted and needed and wasn't being permitted to have because I was not taken as an authority on me.

The result of this seems to be that I'm never content with doing well and I'm always frustrated by the less-than-perfect around me. It makes me think about things like quitting my newly-acquired job, when this job itself is a huge proof to all those naysayers about just how wrong they are. How can I quit, then? I'd be proving them right after all. But how can I stay in an environment that's wrong for me?

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[info]wellgull
2007-02-19 04:21 pm UTC (link)
I wouldn't take being ill-content with a coroporate job as an indictment against your personal worth. Frankly, observing my parents and the people they worked with in the Silicon Valley as I was growing up, I came to the conclusion that the vast majority of people involved with corporate America are pretty miserable. Most of them just tolerate it for the money.

I mean, I'm no expert on living outside of social standards -- a huge part of me says that I should be pursuing corporate employment myself -- but at the least don't compound it by blaming yourself for not fitting in there, when very few others really do either...

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[info]maymaym
2007-02-19 05:21 pm UTC (link)
I came to the conclusion that the vast majority of people involved with corporate America are pretty miserable. Most of them just tolerate it for the money.

This is my conclusion as well. I first came to it when I was still in elementary school and have only proved it true to myself now that I also have a corporate job. It was no surprise to me, and that's part of the frustration. How could I let myself do this to myself when part of me knew from the age of 10 that a corporate job is not one that I'd feel good about?

Also, this just adds more wood to the fire for me to feel extremely disappointed with society at large again. But on the bright side, if I can do for my work what I've done for my schooling, maybe I can be both happy and very well-paid. I just wish, for once, everything like this in my life didn't have to be such a fucking struggle against "the norm."

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[info]wellgull
2007-02-26 06:52 pm UTC (link)
I wish, too, that not everything had to be a struggle against "the norm." But it seems like the norm is dehumanizing and debilitating, and I just can't accept it. But I greatly admire your ability to find space between society's options for you--to be very educated without formal education, to find ways to be yourself instead of part of a machine. And I think that you stand a great chance of creating your own space for yourself in the working world, just as in other worlds.

And when you do, let me know what you've found, and if there's space for more?

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[info]maymaym
2007-02-27 08:40 pm UTC (link)
:) Thanks.

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[info]corwyn13
2007-02-06 03:47 pm UTC (link)
I am convinced that mediocrity (a) is extremely subjective and that usually the people who are the least mediocre are the ones who feel they are most and (b) if a valid perception, a good indication that one simply hasn't found quite the right niche. Sometimes it's a different field, a different city, a different company, a different country... but a lot of people who feel they will never excel or be truly satisfied, find the right place and it's a whole different story.

Since the day I met you, you have demanded high standards of yourself. It's been nearly half our lives now, and you still do. You are so driven, May-May, and so analytical. Full steam ahead & let's dissect every thought/emotion/feeling/nuance/detail/memory while we're at it. Isn't it overwhelming?

You might always second-guess everything, and question everything... but maybe that's just part of the gift of you. Gifts don't always have to be appreciated or enjoyed to be what they are. You are in many ways an amazing person, precisely, in some cases, because of the very things that isolate, frustrate, and torment you. You have a greater awareness, on a pretty constant basis as far as I have ever discerned, of what's really going on inside of you than most people have even in brief, deep flashes of insight.

...Are you thinking your very nature is to blame for all the ends that have come before and wounded you?? I wonder why you are asking if your relationship with Sara will wither, when it seems the best and healthiest you've ever been in. I would guess it has the same odds it's always had, since though any two individuals can be altered on a daily basis, at the core, some things don't change, and the relationship between the two of you has flourished damn well so far, with you being you & Sara being Sara. Sara when she returns will have been changed by her experiences, but so will you have been by yours. There's every chance that this will mean wonderful things for you both. Why not? And worrying won't stop the changes, and isn't likely to affect the odds of you continuing to flourish, except perhaps by introducing the possibility of a self-fulfilling prophecy... but I think you're smarter than that little trap.

I don't know the answers, May-May. If I did, it would still be pointless to give them to you. All I have is my perspective, and my friendship. With these I'd say "what to do" is pretty much just keep living, as Big Scary Questions tend to be answered according to their own timeline, and stressing yourself out won't hurry them along (and if it would you probably still wouldn't want it to).

I love you. :)

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[info]maymaym
2007-02-06 07:00 pm UTC (link)
Just about everything I've ever had or done has been about extremes. In hindsight it's almost funny because my kindergarten teachers used to call me Goldy Locks, referencing my curly red-gold hair, but unlike the girl in that story, I can't seem to find a comfortable middle ground anywhere. And maybe my story just isn't over yet, but should finding the niche that's just right for me really be this god damned hard? I envy those people who find their "one true" passion early on and have an easier, perhaps more well-trodden, path so much.

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[info]corwyn13
2007-02-06 07:48 pm UTC (link)
Is life really about a comfortable middle ground? If it is, I'm not living it, at all. I don't know an emotional middle ground any more than you seem to, and I can't name a single time in my life that hasn't been full of extremely high ups and extremely horrible crashes in terms of events/circumstances.

Your story is far from over, boyo... and maybe finding the niche should be hard. Hell, I could have been one of those who found their "one true" passion early on, and I still didn't take that route, and have struggled and thrown things out of whack because of it - but on the flip side, the *wrong* choices I was making brought me some of the best things ever to come into my life (such as Rob), and if I had made the "right" ones from the start, who knows where I'd be or who I'd be with.

To the person living any given path, it rarely seems easy. It's -7 degrees here today with the windchill... and I look around, and listen to all these people who are bundled up and running from warmth to warmth, complaining about how they hate it and how awful it is, and I feel kind of amused and kind of irritated, because they don't have the first idea how awful it is... they're not deathly allergic, they are not in danger of going into shock and dying from just a few minutes' exposure to the cold, and they don't have a muscle disease that makes every second during & after exposure to cold intensely painful... but of course, to them, they do have every idea how awful it is. It's all about perspective. Each of theirs, mine... from mine, they have it easy and are complaining about a bit of discomfort. And from mine, the guy on the bus on my way to campus today who was saying that it was too cold for him to go out earlier this morning, so he slept in, is just ridiculous. :p But from his, and from theirs, it's something different entirely. And maybe my struggle will have a point somewhere along the line yet :)

Hang in there, darling. You know where you can find me if you ever need to.

*HUGS*

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[info]soffistique
2007-02-06 10:30 pm UTC (link)
Your brilliance is undeniable
and absolute. If you lack anything, it is perspective. Love you, Aba


I think the number of people who see you the same way would surprise you.

I've not spent much time with you yet you have been a genuine comfort in my life. The unremitting sincerity with which you live and love life is both palpable and quietly infectious.... does there exist a better gift?

I wouldn't put too much emphasis (identity-wise) on your current job... you've proven you can do it, which leaves you (for the first time?) with a full freedom of choice. If you do stay you will still gain, never lose, insights and understanding... such things can only open channels, never close them.

I am sorry if I sound preachy... it's the only language I know how to speak sometimes, growing up with it as I did ;) ... I just thought I would let you know a bit of the way you come across to me, and perhaps many others.

::warm thoughts:: I wish you comfort.

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[info]corwyn13
2007-02-07 03:23 pm UTC (link)
Well said, the both of you (you & Mei's Aba).

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[info]pixie4now
2007-02-07 08:48 am UTC (link)
I love you Mei.

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[info]fantasmagoria
2007-02-08 08:35 am UTC (link)
What will it be like--and what will she be like--when Sara returns from Australia?

You'll be you. I'll be me. We'll still be overwhelmingly in love, because being in love with each other is a not only a consequence but also a characteristic of you being you and me being me.

Love.

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[info]maymaym
2007-02-08 01:24 pm UTC (link)
:) Love. I can't wait to go to Maine and see you again.

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